Reloder 7 did its best with a maximum load of 16.5 grains; .53 inch at 4,039. Of the powders CFE BLK, H-4198 and Accurate 2200 used with this bullet, H-4198 proved lackluster accuracy-wise, the best group only .87-inch at 4,226 with 17 grains of powder. Rem. Nosler unprimed brass and Federal Premium Gold Medal 205 Match Small Rifle primers were used throughout. During fire-forming the case will headspace on its rim and the shoulder will be moved forward to the Ackley position. The 17 Mach IV was designed by Vern O'Brien, Las Vegas, Nevada, in 1962. He was a college professor, a gifted machinist, a writer, a barrel maker, a bullet maker, a builder of rifles and an avid experimenter. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. If the owner of that first rifle in 17 Ackley Hornet were still here, he would likely be tickled to see a load with his favorite powder slightly better the accuracy of CFE BLK. He owned no powder scale and simply filled the case to the brim with IMR 4198, seated a bullet on top, and commenced to terrorize the local crow population. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Give it a shot and see what youve been missing. The new Sako Finnlight II sports an innovative stock and Cerakote metal paired with the terrific 85 action. I have owned several rifles in 218 Bee through the years, the first being a Winchester Model 43. For shooting varmints like prairie dogs or ground squirrels, the 20-grain bullets are hard to beat. The Hodgdons 2012 Annual Manual and the Hodgdon website list about the same maximum loads for the .17 Ackley Hornet and .17 Hornet with some powders. Hodgdon has data available online. All things considered, this new propellant from Hodgdon ranks among the very best choices available for Remingtons littlest .22-caliber centerfire cartridge. When a new cartridge is introduced, its origins can often be traced to a cartridge P.O. Hornady Custom Grade full-length dies were used to size and load the .17s. And for those who have grown weary of forming 17 Ackley Hornet cases from 22 Hornet brass, I have included a CFE BLK load in Hornadys 17 Hornet case. The magazine of the Ruger rifle will handle longer. I prefer 20-grain bullets in the .17 Hornets because they can be pushed much faster than 25-grain bullets. bullet. The first commercial .17-caliber round, the .17 Remington, was hobbled by the inferior .17-caliber bullets available upon its release, often resulting in superficial wounds on animals such as coyotes. Formed by necking down Remingtons .221 Fireball case and increasing shoulder angle to 30 degrees, OBrien claimed a velocity of 3,700 fps for a 25-grain bullet. The Sierra 40-grain hollowpoint also preferred 0.005 inch of rifling engagement. Tested on 75 & 80 degree days with no pressure problems.. It's just a GREAT load for the 17 Remington.. CCI-450 Primers 26.0grs IMR 4007SCC Jeff Bradley shows off the Modern Hunting Rifle (MHR) from Christensen Arms at SHOT Show 2023. A couple thousand of these discontinued bullets were acquired at a substantial savings after the Zombie craze subsided. Introduced in 2018, it is rugged, simple, and accurate. Typically, groups with each rifle are fired for record by three or four Guns and Shooting Online staffers and/or contributors. Taurus Marketing Manager Caleb Giddings highlights the features of the new Taurus Raging Hunter 460 Magnum, a purpose-built revolver with a 10.5-inch barrel and an effective recoil-taming brake, with Guns & Ammo Executive Editor Joe Kurtenbach. The Hornady .17 case, however, is a bit shorter in length and to the base of the shoulder than the Ackley case. In 1970, OBrien sold his company to Harrington & Richardson, which renamed the rifle the Model 317 Ultra Wildcat. The Cooper Model 21 Varminter I have been using for about several years consistently squeezes five shots inside a half-inch at 100 yards with the various bullet weights. It weighs 10.73 pounds scoped and the added Timney Trigger broke crisply at 2.08 pounds. Joe Kurtenbach and Caleb Giddings also look at the first-ever optics-ready carry revolvers with the new Taurus 605 and 856 T.O.R.O. Joined: Dec 2015. The 20 grn Vmax had better accuracy and Mr. Nagels 20 grain pill was the most accurate. If i had a bunch of those bullets i would try IMR 4320. The Hammer 18 grain Dead Blow and Nosler 20 grain Varmageddon bullets deserve further experimentation, as I obviously didnt do my part though I did demonstrate what didnt work, which is something. barm # 13676946 03/21/19. If striking a bone on impact they will absolutely detonatenot only potentially ruining a valuable hide, but also creating a superficial wound that is not immediately lethal and will leave animals to suffersomething all hunters try to avoid. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. Hammer Bullets 18 grain Dead Blow is another excellent nontoxic (California compliant) option milled from a single piece of copper. The Remington case is about 0.006 inch larger in diameter at its body/shoulder juncture, and its head-space dimension is about 0.004 inch longer. Absence of copper fouling in the Shilen barrel of the SSK Industries Contender and the barrels of the Cooper Model 21 and the Sako L46 indicated extremely smooth bores. Compression is light when the Berger 30-grain bullet is seated to an overall cartridge length of 1.830 inches. If you can find either the older Berger 25-grain Target HP (smaller nose opening) or the Hornady HP, youll be in business. As I mentioned, running the case through a 17 Ackley Hornet full-length resizing die bumps back the shoulder, allowing it to fit into the Ackley chamber. Accurate 2460 shot 20- and 25-grain bullets a good 250 fps faster than other powders loaded in the .17 Fireball, and with great accuracy. The full-page lead photo was filled with two hunters, one tiny rifle and a huge Alaskan brown bear wearing a hide that surely squared 10 feet or better. While the 17 Fireball is about 300 fps slower with all bullet weights than the 17 Remington, it is probably more popular today because it burns about 20 percent less powder with each squeeze of the trigger. 23.5 grn. At 3,900 to 4,000 fps these bullets will typically enter a furbearer with a tiny pinprick and completely dissipate inside the animal. In those days, a velocity of 2,000 fps was considered "fast," so this was really big news. Regardless of the powder used, velocity spread can be a bit high with the 17 Hornet, although it seldom affects accuracy enough to matter within the effective varmint-shooting range of the cartridge. The most consistent powder with this bullet proved to be A-2200, producing .52- and .46-inch groups at 4,145 and 4,226 fps with 18 and 18.5 grains of powder, respectively. The new RIA 5.0 Sporting Pistol from Rock Island Armory features a patented RVS Recoil system that maximizes barrel mass and linear movement to give shooters super soft recoil. According to my measurements, its gravimetric density is 0.980 gram per cubic centimeter, the same as for water. Pat Mundy The plastic tip increases ballistic coefficients for flatter long-range trajectories and initiates dismantling impacts on small varmints. The new 9mm suppressor can mount easily to any pistol barrel threaded x28 inches and doesn't compromise on sound suppression, gas blowback or recoil. Ackley and others began developing centerfire cartridges smaller than .22 caliber soon after the end of World War II, and they really got busy during the 1950s. Having a burn speed close to H4198 and IMR 4198 makes CFE BLK suitable for use in a variety of applications, including the .17- and .22-caliber varmint cartridges covered in this report. Bullet weights from 15.5 to 25 grains were tested. When introducing the .17 Remington Fireball in 2008, Remington copied the .17 Mach IV case with the exception of a couple of dimensions. Using bullets from Hornady V-Max, Hornady V-Max or HP. The V-MAX bullets had an average velocity of 3,567 fps for 10 shots recorded 10 feet in front of the muzzle of the 21.90-inch barrel of a CZ 527 American. You can use the Horn 25 HP My Rem LVSF likes the 25 VMAX with H4895 I have had as much as 3-6 grains variance in Rem brass. This efficiency inspired some exceptional wildcat rounds, like the .20 VarTarg, and the .17 Remington Fireball (RFB) under discussion here. Ive not tried the excellent RWS primer nor the new Winchester Match Small Riflebut wouldnt hesitate to test either one. : 2.150" Powder: 24.1 gr 25.9 gr Vel. Taking a bit more time at the loading bench can avoid a problem later at the range. H-4198 was also a good powder. A few grains of bullet weight in this diminutive cartridge can make a very large difference in terminal effect, and the sleeker HPBT design flies exceedingly well. A number of the cartridges were Ackleys designs while the others had been sent to him by various other developers for inclusion in his two-volume Handbook For Shooters & Reloaders. J. Scott Rupp takes a first look at the Springfield M1A Loaded rifle chambered in the popular 6.5 Creedmoor. Here at Guns and Shooting Online we have had the opportunity to review many .17 caliber rimfire rifles and we are continuing to do so. I also like using IMR8208 with the 25gr. Hodgdon LilGun is the powder for the .17. Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.92", (TIE) CZ Model 452-2E American, .17 HMR - 1.06", Anschutz Model 1717 D KL, .17 HMR - 1.08", (TIE) Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 1.13", (TIE) Remington Model 504-T LS HB, .17 HMR - 1.16", Thompson/Center Contender G2, .17 HMR - 1.21", Marlin Model 917VS ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.25", Winchester 1885 Low Wall Hunter, .17 WSM - 1.25", Savage Model 93R17 Classic, .17 HMR - 1.31", Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.44", Stevens Favorite Model 30R17, .17 HMR - 1.46", Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.54", Winchester 1885 Low Wall, .17 HMR - 2.05", Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 0.69" (Remington), Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.73" (CCI), Savage B.MAG Target, .17 WSM - 0.75" (Winchester), Thompson/Center Contender G2, .17 HMR - 0.80" (Remington), Remington Model 597 LS HB, .17 HMR - 0.84" (CCI), Browning T-Bolt Target/Varmint, .17 HMR - 0.88" (Winchester), Anschutz Model 1717 D KL, .17 HMR - 0.93" (Remington), Weatherby Mark XXII, .17 HMR - 0.94" (Hornady), CZ Model 452-2E American, .17 HMR - 0.96" (CCI), Remington Model 504-T LS HB, .17 HMR - 0.98" (Federal), (TIE) Marlin Model 917VS ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.0" (Hornady), Anschutz Model 1502 D HB, .17 M2 - 1.06" (Hornady), Marlin Model 917VS ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.13" (Hornady), (TIE) Savage Model 93R17-BTVS, .17 HMR - 1.17" (CCI), (TIE) Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.25" (Hornady), Stevens Favorite Model 30R17, .17 HMR - 1.27" (Hornady & Remington - tie), (TIE)Henry Golden Boy, .17 HMR - 1.40" (Remington), Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.47" (CCI), Winchester 1885 Low Wall, .17 HMR - 1.5" (Remington). vs 9.3x62 Cartridge Clash, 7 Top .17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) Rifles, How Rifle-Shot Recoil Affects Scopes, Rings and Bases, Ruger No. Ackley created his first .17 caliber wildcat by necking down the .30 Carbine case. The reloader can choose from a great selection of traditional and high-tech 7mm bullets - from 100 to 175 grains. Hornady currently loads its .17 Hornet with 20-grain V-MAX and 15.5-grain NTX bullets. For years, Remington was the only one that loaded the .17 Rem., but now factory ammunition can be had from Nosler and Hornady, as well. Hodgdon CFE BLK powder is in the series of CopperFouling Eraser propellants. The 218 Bee was developed specifically for the Winchester Model 65 lever action, and despite its extremely light recoil, it has always been factory loaded with tube-magazine-friendly bullets with flatnose profiles. All RifleShooter subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Due to a higher density, more CFE BLK can be packed into a case. The supplied scope rings that clamp on the square bridge of the receiver are a nice touch. Both of those loads will push a 65gr V-Max about 4,100 fps. They produce almost no discernable recoil. So much for this rifle not caring for 25-grain bullets. With the CZ sighted in 1.40 inches high at 100 yards, the bullets still hit an inch above aim at 200 yards. .17 Remington - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Hornady #16 Lee #4 Lyman #26 RCBS #10 Recipe Type: Bullet Weight: Recipe Source: Starting Max Source 15.5 gr NTX (HDY) 0.172" Powder: Benchmark (Hodgdon) Primer: REM 7 Case: REM Trim Length: 1.786" C.O.L. There is an obvious allure in velocities of more than 4,200-4,300 fps, but I suspect a steady varmint-shooting diet of Hornadys 15.5 grain NTX would result in premature barrel wear. maximum of 52,000 CUP for the 221 Fireball and also considerably below the pressure generated by a maximum charge of LilGun with the Berger 30-grainer. Velocity from the 24-inch barrel exceeded 3,860 fps. Sizing bushings are interchangeable and available in .001-inch increments, allowing just-right neck tensioning to accommodate specific chambers (a micrometer is used to measure outside neck diameter of a loaded cartridge and .001-inch subtracted). Rod Herrett stocked the gun, and Fred Smith fitted its 15-inch Shilen barrel. A very accurate varmint load is 43.7 grains of H4895 and 58 grain Hornady V-max - <1/2" 5 shots at 100 yards. The .17 RFB provides 300 to 400 feet per second (fps) velocity gains over the popular .17 Hornet. Beth Shimanski of Savage introduces their all new straight-pull rifle. Using Hornady .17 Hornet brass to form .17 Ackley Hornet cases eliminates the need for case-forming dies. It fed cartridges measuring 1.750 inches just fine, but to avoid any feeding issues in the field, I reduced COL to 1.745 inches. Moving to bigger cartridges, when the Hornady 20-grain V-Max exits the .17 Rem. Expecting to receive a half-dozen or so, I was quite surprised after opening the package to see more than 30 different cartridges ranging in size from the .17 Lilliput on a shortened .22 Hornet case to the .17 Swift on the full-length .220 Swift case. For called-in coyotes, I switch to the 30-grain Berger, but I prefer the 25-grain V-Max for longer shots. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. Tips, techniques, and equipment are applied to these classroom discussions on how to become more proficient and successful at making long-range shots while hunting with AR-platform rifles. The Sierra 40-grain Hornet is also quite good. He killed 17 wolves and 6-8 caribou with that load plus who knows how many foxes and coyotes. Hornadys 20-grain Z-MAX is the same as the V-MAX in every way, except the polymer tip is Zombie green instead of Hornady red. If the rifle is accurate, one really has to be "off the playing field" to assemble handloads that won't shoot. This is where I believe some seating-depth experiments are indicated (many mono-copper bullets prove fussy this way), as there was obviously room for improvement here. 1 Single-Shot Rifle: Tips to Improve Its Accuracy, How to Clean a Rifle Barrel the Effective and Harmless Way, 10 Best 6.5mm Rifle Cartridges Available Right Now, Top 10 6.5 PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge) Rifles, Kimber Hunter Pro Desolve Blak - A Lightweight Heavy Hitter, Browning BLR Lightweight '81 Stainless Takedown Lever Rifle, Mossberg Patriot Predator 6.5 PRC Rifle Review, Review: Springfield Armory M1A Loaded Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor, RCBS ChargeMaster Lite Review: Not 'Lite' on Ability, Remington Model Seven SS HS Bolt-Action Rifle Review. Precision Redding full-length Type S Match Dies with .195-inch titanium nitride sizing bushing and micro-adjustable seating-die head were used. After thoroughly cleaning the tube at home, for instance, the added 25-grain Hornady V-MAX loads assembled impressive clusters. I have also done a lot of work with the Federal 205 and 205 Match, and these primers also work wellbut will also start to flatten and can pierce more easily than the first three mentioned. Ackleys load data lists 25-grain bullets with a velocity of 3,585 fps from 12.0 grains of 4198 and 3,570 fps from 11.5 grains of 4227. Plus, whats not to like about a cartridge with a near absence of recoil that shoots flat enough to take small game out to 300 yards? In Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders, Volume II (1966), Ackley writes about himself: The author may or may not have been the originator of the .17 caliber in this country. In a precision-built rifle with a good barrel, the .17 Rem. Determined to include a Berger 30-grain load in this report, I asked my friends at Hodgdon to shoot it in their 24-inch pressure barrel. The new-for-2023 lineup includes ultralight hunting stocks and a VGA 2-pound adjustable vertical-grip stock. Cases did stretch some during firing and then sizing. Colt Model 1861 Special Musket: What's Its Value? Having the tools, it was decided to make a few barrels. How does the performance of the .17s compare with .22 caliber varmint cartridges? advertised factory ballistics are about 100 fps less than the initial claim nearly a century ago. The CCI A17 load has a catalog MV of 2650 fps and chronographed between 2775 and 2809 fps from our test rifles. I could say the same with the Berger 25 grain Flat Base Varmint. These are 5-shot groups fired at 100 yard targets. Hornady and Nosler both make 20-grain bullets. maximum average pressure for the 218 Bee is 40,000 CUP. box; midwayusa.com. And CFE BLK does have several advantages over those two propellants. Unfortunately, it did not turn in a noteworthy group with this bullet. Well guys, winter is upon us and I am in dire need to try out a few new loads getting ready for the spring time ground squirrel ritual. The .270 typically calls for charge weights ranging from 55 to 60 grains, so my target is +/- 0.2 grain. Vihtavuori N133, IMR-8308 XBR and Accurate LT-30 were paired with this bullet, but none particularly impressed. It attained the second highest velocities with 20-grain bullets and the highest velocities with 25-grain bullets. CZ calls the 527 a micro-Mauser due to its nonrotating claw extractor that grabs the rim of a case as its pushed forward out of the magazine and blade ejector. The .17 Hornet (left) looks like a larger version of the .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (right). Bullets were made out of copper wire and results on small game such as prairie dogs were quite amazing. It varied among the three bullets tried. Cases are available from Nosler and Normaand they are quite goodthough a bit more heavily constructed than the original Remingtonsso the handloader must take this into consideration and work up loads carefully if using data that was developed in Remington cases. Hammer Bullets' 18 grain Dead Blow is another excellent nontoxic (California compliant) option milled from a single piece of copper. The impossibility of getting suitable actions for the .17 Pee Wee cartridge, made it necessary to design several other cartridges which would be suitable for available actions. Use of the Remington 6 primer improved accuracy in Reibers gun as well as mine. The shoulder diameter of the Hornady case is also a bit wider in diameter than the Ackley. Velocity from the 10.75-inch barrel of the XP-100 was just over 3,100 fps, with accuracy as good as that particular gun has ever produced. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. of benchmark with a Rem 7.5 primer case and fireforming to minimum body taper and a 40-degree shoulder angle, the 7mm TCU is great fun to shoot due to its extremely mild recoil. It shoots projectiles in the 17- to 20-grain range up to about 2,600 feet per second (fps). The .17 Remington is a fun and interesting round to work with. To show viewers how to succeed at long range, J. Guthrie gears up for a challenging shot while chasing Colorado pronghorn at long range with DPMS' Panther 6.5 Creedmoor. It simply is the 221 Remington Fireball necked down to 17 caliber, using a 30-degree shoulder. The heavier bullets had much lower extreme spreads, with 43 to 45 fps for the 25-grain bullets and 30 to 66 fps for the 30-grain bullets. [br] Other powders to consider are those in the same burn rate range. #1 Lilja barrel shipped 2 days ago. Velocities from pressure barrels are usually higher than velocities from off-the-shelf rifles, but in this case it was quite close at 3,836 fps. However, maximum powder charges for the .17 Ackley are 0.2 to 0.7 grain heavier than for the .17 Hornady. When a new cartridge is introduced, its origins can often be traced to a cartridge P.O. There were certainly some exceptional groups involved, but the rifle proved more finicky than I anticipated. Bullets for the .17 Remington have come a long way since 1971, both in quality and variety. Ruger's multi-role small frame autoloading rifle - Sear - combines AR-10 power with AR-15 Portability. The .17 Remington Fireball introduced a few years ago is a somewhat larger edition of the .17 Hornet, but the Fireball is less than trendy. They shoot whisper-tiny projectiles the same diameter as the BBs we all loved to pop away with as kids. With an Accu-Fit stock and left hand adjustable bolt, this rifle is a perfect choice for anyone! The Fireball dropped in 1964 with the official introduction of the same companys XP-100 single-shot bolt pistol and provided 90 percent of the .223 Remingtons performance while burning 35 percent less powder. ONeil of OKH fame. In addition to delivering much lower velocity spreads, accuracy was better with IMR 4198 and H335. Hornady dies were used to handload cartridges for the .17 Hornet. Overall, Hodgdons CFE BLK, Alliants Reloder 10x, Vihtavuoris N133 and Ramshots X-Terminator emerged as clear winners, providing a balanced combination of accuracy and velocity in this fine varminting cartridge. The new powder also flows through good powder measures with minimum charge-to-charge variation in weight. Hodgdon lists as little as 0.3 grain between minimum and maximum powder charges for the .17 Hornady. High density is especially important when loading small-capacity cartridges. Ben Voss FN Product Manager talks about the new FN SCAR 15P ultra-compact rifle-caliber pistol at SHOT Show 2023. leaves the others choking on its dust. Medium-fast powders including Hodgdons Benchmark, H-4198, H-322 and CFE BLK, IMR-8280 XBR, Western Powders Ramshot X-Terminator and TAC, Accurates LT-30 and A-2200, Alliants Reloder 10x and 7, Shooters World Blackout and Vihtavuori N133 were chosen for a combination of clean-burning characteristics and maximum velocities. It's a "hot" round, pushing a 48-grain bullet at 4,100 fps. 70 and a sako vixen is: Rem case , cci bencrest pr., 21.2 gr. Bullet jump was then extended in 0.005-inch increments until the sweet spot was found. Despite their long leap through space, five of the 20-grain AccuTip-V bullets consistently landed inside an inch at 100 yards. The best groups resulted from 18 grains of N133 (.66 inch at 3,822 fps, including very low extreme velocity spreads), a 19 grain maximum load of IMR-8308 XBR (.73-inch at 3,874 fps) and 16 grains of LT-30 (.75 inch at 3,622 fps). Here, listed in alphabetical order, are several of the best .17-caliber rifles available today: Kimber's Hunter Pro Desolve Blak takes the firm's more affordable mountain rifle to new heights. Small powder charges result in cleaner shooting than the .17 Remington though all .17-caliber cartridges require frequent barrel cleaning to assure continued accuracy. An additional 0.8 grain of the powder increased velocity by 237 fps. vs 9.3x62 Cartridge Clash, Browning SA-22 Challenge Semiauto Rimfire: Its History and a Review, 6 Best .300 PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge) Rifles, How Rifle-Shot Recoil Affects Scopes, Rings and Bases, Kimber Hunter Pro Desolve Blak - A Lightweight Heavy Hitter, Browning BLR Lightweight '81 Stainless Takedown Lever Rifle, Mossberg Patriot Predator 6.5 PRC Rifle Review, Review: Springfield Armory M1A Loaded Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor, RCBS ChargeMaster Lite Review: Not 'Lite' on Ability, Remington Model Seven SS HS Bolt-Action Rifle Review. A friend of mine has two custom rifles in 17 Hornet, and accuracy from one is best with the Remington 6, while the other prefers the Winchester WSR. They will easily break 4,200 fps and terminal results are spectacular, as one would expect. He did try some CFE 223 and was very happy with it. The first 10 rounds were outstanding. Ill save those bullets for my .17 Hornet. For instance, if you want to shoot the new .17 WSM, you're pretty much limited to Savage's B-Mag and perhaps one or two single-shot, novelty type rifles such as Taylor Firearms' little baby Sharps. Rifles chambered for the various .17-caliber centerfire cartridges often have extremely long chamber throats, and the Ruger Model 77/17H test rifle is one of them. This is especially important when loading ammunition on a progressive press. I have had my best results with the 25 gr. Chances are, if theyre a shooter, they have a .17-caliber rifle tucked away someplace. Just $1 per month , Everything you ever wanted to know about the .17 Remington, By The .220 Swift is a .22-caliber round that fires .224-inch bullets, the same as used atop .223 Remington, .22-250 Remington, .224 Weatherby Magnum, .24 Nosler and similar .22 centerfire cartridges. Its cup is softer than that of the Remington 7 primer, but neither of us experienced pierced primers when using a charge 0.3 grain shy of maximum. If Hodgdons recommended maximum of 12.8 grains is used, switching to the Remington 7 or Federal 205M primer is advised. When carefully prepared handloads are fired in good barrels, accuracy of the two cartridges is the same. Zero the .17 Ackley Hornet with the Hornady 20-grain V-Max at 3,600 fps two inches high at 100 yards and it is two inches high at 200 yards and four inches low at 300. 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