These variants were different combinations of tuning slide, tuning slide tubes, and the bell size. FEATURES. Anyway, thanks again. And thanks again! Thanks! I appreciate the comments, and you have actually summed things up nicely for me. I could also buy a Shires or New Vintage Conn or Getzen 3047. Bach 39 Alto, LT36B, 42BOF & 42T, King 2103 / 3b, Kanstul 1570CR & 1588CR, Yamaha YBL-612 RII & YBL-830, B&H Eb Tuba, Sterling 1056GHS Euphonium, Livingston Symphony Orchestra NJ - Trombone DougHulme Posts: 441 Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:54 am Location: Portsmouth UK Re: Large king trombones by DougHulme Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:29 pm It was the model 45, but with a .562 bore slide instead of the standard .547/.562 slide the 45 usually came with. by BGuttman Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:33 pm, Post Play anything we have in-store, or try a mouthpiece at a gig using our 7 day return policy (on most items). A heavier bell may not have the nuance of tone that a professional bell does, but the student model bell will be tough to withstand the somewhat rougher handling that may occur in the hands of younger players. by brassduoDJ Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:01 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited, Style by Arty - phpBB 3.3 by MrGaby This horn is in excellent condition and features zero dents or lacquer wear. Bach 39 Alto Trombone Key of Bb, .500 medium bore, 7-1/2 one-piece yellow brass bell, chrome-plated nickel silver seamless inner slide, brass outer slide, nickel silver handgrip, tubular nickel silver body braces, removable gold-plated balance weight, genuine Vincent Bach mouthpiece, deluxe wood shell case. Also the 36 is nowhere near as quirky as a 42 (with rotor). It will probably be a matter of preference based on feel. Hand slides are assembled and hand fitted together for smoothest action. Gold brass bells are standard, which help produce a warm, broad tone. Bach Stradivarius Trombones can be ordered and configured with a full bevy of optional features. It may be regional. Suitable for larger theatre orchestras and for symphony performances. This allows me to build new muscle memory for the alto slide positions so they wont conflict with the regular slide position reflexes that I have already established on the other Bb based trombones. 36 is a .525 bore. Even players that I think are fantastic. These were labeled as follows on the bell:6, MODEL LT6 BACH STRADIVARIUS TENOR TROMBONE. To reflect our commitment, we updated our terms and conditions. Made in Elkhorn, Wisconsin, it has an all nickel hand slide and a gold brass bell. Ultimately I will be able to play duets or work with a piano. by Dennis Thu May 28, 2020 9:31 pm, Post I haven't played a 36b but I use my 2125 in pit orchestra, concert band (when i'm not playing bass) and when I'm not on bass in trombone choir as well (almost never) but it seems like a very versatile horn for me. 4250 Perhaps its in their overtonesI really dont know for sure what it is. 4236 . The red brass bell is distinctive. Beautiful, broad and sonorous tone, full of life. I know there are optionswanted a 42 , but don't think I could manage it! For security, use of Google's reCAPTCHA service is required which is subject to the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Use. Gold brass, softer and more red than the . I play a Yamaha Xeno 882GO for my large bore horn and a Bach Stradivarius Model 36 for my medium bore horn (if you're looking for a large bore, I would suggest looking at one of the Bach 42 models), and enjoy both a lot. Thanks to both of you. The intermediate model 200B is very similar, but has less nickel trim, less hand work in the making of the bell, and no options available. The tuning slide area of the instrument tends to be narower in this design. I think I'll be good again after a year; I just read too many comments, including this thread, regarding the work of playing a 42 vs 36. by cboalesjr Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:20 am, Post I adjust my slide grip to make it easier to make the slide movements smaller to match the shorter positions. by sf105 Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:09 am, Post We have a great online selection at the lowest prices with Fast & Free shipping on many items! Im selling a 36 right now. Medium Bore slide (0.490), a fraction larger than the model 6 with a medium bore bell slightly larger than the model 6 bell.Of similar construction to the previous model, with a fuller and more mellow tone. An excellent instrument for small orchestras where only two brasses, trumpet, trombone are in the ensemble. The fact that the entire line was designed by one person brings a consistency in both feel and slide positions through the different models that is very useful when you often switch between many sizes of trombones for various musical situations. In either case, either model is a good horn. by cboalesjr Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:54 am, Post by Posaunus Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:39 pm, Post Is that a straight tenor? by Posaunus Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:04 pm, Post Can you clarify the XT E combo; I don't know what that is. Bachs new hand-slide manufacturing process produces slides that are impeccable! The Jupiter 636 is made in Taiwan by KHS, and this group of four models was their former professional offering. Aidan Ritchie, LA area player and teacher. Similar in construction to the previous tenor trombone with F valve (F Valve slide can pulled out to E), but has a large sized bell and a large slide bore (0.562). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Vincent Bach Trombone Models Through the years there have been just a few primary models manufactured by Vincent Bach and related companies. . I would almost say it sounds like a smaller 42, but I'm pretty sure the 36 was designed first right? I'm on northern California. I have a Bach 36BO and two King 3B and one King 3B/F. Also known as the Bach 36b or Bach 36bo trombone, the Bach model 36 is a medium-large bore trombone with a .525 bore and an 8 inch bell. I am very excited, and fortunate, to have such a great instrument. Charlie. You each gave me bits of the puzzle I had in my mind. Also, you cannot get a valve on a 3b+ as special order. by cboalesjr Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:08 pm, Post $3,999.00 $4,859.00Financing Starting @ $90.97 per monthUnited Midwest Financing - Based on 60 months and 12.99% annual percentage rate. Please check the fields highlighted in red. by Crazy4Tbone86 Thu May 28, 2020 9:22 pm, Post Some premier models cost $6000 and up. When the 3B+ with F (2125F) fit came out I had an opportunity to test one. Happy New Year, everyone! or even blocked browser cookies. Please check the fields highlighted in red. Bach catalogs from the late 1960s to the mid 1970s listed the 36 and 42 as large bore trombones. If you want an all around horn good for shows, etc. Bach Stradivarius Trombones - 36B & 42B F-Rotor Models Retail: $ 5,839.00 - $ 7,094.00 $ 3,999.00 - $ 4,859.00 Financing Starting @ $90.97 per month United Midwest Financing - Based on 60 months and 12.99% annual percentage rate Model Contact Us To Order If you are interested in this item, please contact us. I have some very specific examples of players you have probably heard that I can reference first hand. Perhaps Ill come across one on the internet in good shape. The Bach Strad 37 was the original model and is known for its versatility. Used - Fair. by cboalesjr Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:23 pm, Post Of course there are lots of other options than Bach. All 42 series Bach Stradivarius tenor trombones feature .547 large bore, 8-1/2 one-piece yellow brass bell, chrome-plated nickel silver seamless inner slide, brass outer slide, nickel silver handgrip, tubular nickel silver body braces, genuine Vincent Bach mouthpiece, deluxe wood shell case. He composed it in Leipzig for the first Sunday after Easter and first performed it on 8 April 1725. All Bach Stradivarius bass trombones feature .562 large bore, one-piece yellow brass bell, chrome-plated nickel silver seamless inner slide, brass outer slide, nickel silver handgrip, tubular nickel silver body braces, genuine Vincent Bach mouthpiece, deluxe wood shell case.MODEL 50A 9-1/2 one-piece yellow brass bell, Hagmann Valve rotor mechanism, open wrap, 9 bass trombone with F valve.For the 3rd trombonist (bass trombonist) in large symphony, opera, or concert orchestras or bands. The 36 is mine- pictures incoming of my widened slide with Shires brass .525 crook, courtesy of Benn Hansson. by Shumanbean Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:19 am, Post by Posaunus Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:21 pm, Post Netherlands, Like most retailers, we use advanced software to protect your security and personal Also included in the case are two extra leadpipes that screw on and off to help achieve the exact sound you're looking for. Also have a 3B+ with some mods. They're both great horns. What is a TBSOL210? as a std. I just prefer the sound of the brass. e-mail: music@kesslermusic.com Bach Stradivarius Model . EUR Upper hand slide braces sometimes get this treatment. Produced in Mt. Post They follow standard dimensions of a .500" bore hand slide and an 8" brass bell. Except for the smaller bore, you give up little to professional large bore horns when you buy choose the 725. It is a Bb/F tenor horn. Price Guide * Excludes Brand New, B Stock, Fair, Poor, and Non-functioning. by bimmerman Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:49 pm, Post The way they sound to me, from bright to dark the bells would fairly well fit in these groups. by cboalesjr Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:09 pm, Post I prefer the way they sound on brass slides. The Conn 52H is built alongside the professional model 88H, and shares many of the same parts. Learn more about current Bach instruments atBachBrass.com. There were actually 7 variations on the model 6. Either of these is a fine choice for a new player. These may use the newest, most accurate tooling and dies. It is a good alto, although I wish now that I had an LT slide for it. model. 10% of proceeds from instruments sales donated to Autism organizations. The tone is compact, brilliant and free from thinness, commonly termed nasal twang. The Model 4 has been especially designed for players with a delicate embouchure to enable them to play the entire register, particularly the high notes, with the utmost ease.For engagements in hotels, restaurants, small bedrooms and other places where the requirements are usually for subdued music, this instrument will be found thoroughly desirable and suitable.Also a reference to a Stradivarius 4 .468/.485 7.5 Dual bore. After playing small and large bore trombones now for many years, I have a hard time thinking of the 36 in that way. I hate nickel slides on most all makes of horns. Planning on using a 4C small shank mpc. by Posaunus Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:24 pm, Post In this video we check out the difference between the Bach Strad 180ML in 37 bell vs 43 bell configuration. Oops, looks like you forgot something. Oddly enough, both tenors are Corporation instruments that were later converted. F valve valve slide can be pulled out to E. If you play in a symphony orchestra, you want a 42, because that is the standard. Student models may be made of mostly brass, with little nickel trim to cut costs. Source: Dr. Jason Oliver, D.M.A., Southeastern Oklahoma State University, various Vincent Bach catalogs, There are multiple sources for the Vincent Bach trumpet on the internet, Vincent Bach - Trumpet Bell Variations Bell Construction - Bending Selmer around, Vincent Bach Trumpet Models Through the years there have been just a, There are multiple sources for the Vincent Bach trombone on the internet, Timeframe Lettering Image circa 1920's VINCENT BACH, NEW YORK circa 1920's VINCENT. Does not apply towards Store Used Demos or Used Instruments. Every maker wants premier artists to endorse their instruments, so the professional models are often designed in cooperation with some of the top players. Since I am getting back into playing after many years, I wanted to be realistic. Vincent Bach thought that the 36 was the perfect, large, symphonic trombone. I am dealing with the very same dilemma - and am leaning strongly towards a 36 BO. That's what I was thinking. by timothy42b Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:41 am, Post In my opinion the 3B+ with the 36 lead pipe kinda splits the difference between a true 36 and an original unmodified 3B+. by Mv2541 Thu May 28, 2020 6:21 pm, Post I am looking at open box stuff right now You are good with the closed vs open wrap? A great, open valve that is nonetheless focused and solid, there is a reason that these horns are played by some of the best players in the world. Based on your location, we've changed your settings: Shipping Region: BachLoyalist.com is the ultimate reference to everything related to Vincent Bach & Bach Stradivarius brass instruments. For me, adding an LT slide produces the ideal combination of tone, response, flexibility, and intonation in a Bach trombone. These two trombones are identical except for a few trim pieces and the branding. by elmsandr Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:40 am, Post by hyperbolica Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:13 pm, Post A compact plastic hard case with gold electroplated trim is included. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. The Bach TB200B is a medium bore trombone with F-attachment modeled after the popular Bach 36. Bach 36 is a great choice, especially for us older folk. Model 36 with F valve.For 1st and 2nd trombone work in large symphony, opera, or concert orchestras or band. I have a small bore student horn I use in jazz and marching band but play in the orchestra and symphonic bands at my university in the lead chair so I think the 36 could be good for me. But you have to realize that even if the 42A is slightly better with air flow than the 42BO (which I own and use), I'm not sure that a $400 difference actually lines up to the difference between the horns. 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