There is no current termite infestation. If that is what the sales guy told you, he is either trying to pull a fast one on you and your neighbors or he is not using Termidor. Those pest guys that push Advance Bait are usually operators who either never got accepted as an AO (Authorized Operator), or who had their dealership taken away. Plus those 15 or 20 years would give you plenty of chances to sell the customer other services, such as moisture barriers, crawl space insulation, etc. Also, what would drive them to the surface when, for at least 4 months of the year, the top 36 of the ground is frozen solid? Testimonials. No holes drilled thru your exterior concrete (stoops, patios, garage door jambs, etc) and a more environmentally friendly treatment (no liquid insecticides). All rights reserved. Fumigations are recommended for homes with widespread infestations and/or where you have termites extending into inaccessible areas. I am torn because of that. Scott- We have been having fantastic results with the new always active Sentricon formulation. There are many options when it comes to controlling the termite infestation. It prevents further termite damage as well. Since the well is in front of the home and the known entry area in the rear would Termidor applied in the back yard and Sentricon around the whole house be a reasonable method? Unlike Termites, Ants spend alot of time on the surface and can travel long distances, so it doesnt last as long for Ants. Krista: As long as the well is 10 or more from the foundation, they can use the Backfill method and youll be fine. Only one message said termidor does not travel and turns to a solid. They certainly become defensive when someone questions the effectiveness of baiting systems. Double check with that guy about what termiticide he is using. I have seen the work of companies who do bait only termite treatments, and while it does work at times, it also has a much higher retreat percentage than a Termidor treatment does. I have more often than not seen it take 3 5 years to get the first hit.During that time the termites are still eating your home.. My concern with the bait system is that, if the termites are indeed under the basement, why would they venture out into the yard to the bait stations unless they can no longer gain entry into the basement because we sealed up their entry point where the infected support posts were removed? Someone made a comment earlier about the White House using Sentricon great. To you homeowners: Dont trust anyone that tries to sell you one of these systems. Altriset is safer then the bait. Advance is not newer technology. Even if you did buy the real product, you would have no support from the manufacturers since you are not an authorized operator.. Dont buy any liquid pesticides from eBay theyre mostly fake / counterfeit. I dont think the concrete disturbance will be too bad. Anyone wishing to evaluate the relative effectiveness of Sentricon vs Termidor need not look any further than the statement, Sentricon is certainly the greener solution. However, both options deliver solutions on their own timeframe and have a very different impact on your budget, the environment, and your life. Drill 20 holes with an auger, slide in 20 bait stations, collect a pile of money, and drive-off. I called orkin. GFI's are especially useful when drilling inside slab foundations near plumbing lines. To JJ: I greatly appreciate your analysis of how the business aspect drives some recommendations. In a few hours, the formula works to paralyze the mouths of termites so that they stop feeding. If your local Terminix is a franchise it may be O.K., if it is not a franchise STAY AWAY. WebTERMIDOR HE HIGH EFFICIENCY TERMITICIDE Revision date : 2014/10/01 Page: 6/11 Version: 1.0 (30629254/SDS_CPA_US/EN) Vapour pressure: approx. In the beginning when termite activity was found the pest control company put more bait stations adjacent to the active one. So now the decision is back to prevention now or wait until we find termites closer to the house. I could buy Termidor myself from doityourown but I dont have special equipment and Im not qualified to drill into the basement. This was probably 1 1/2 yrs ago. However, you are correct that it is important to choose a pest professional that will do what they say and has a good reputation. Some clients dont want 200 gallons of pesticide injected around their homes. WebAlso Termidor. It is non-toxic for humans, pets, or other insects, and has a long-term effect. MJ, 500.00 sounds a little cheap but that greatly depends on the size of your home. Scott- We would be a little lower than either of those quotes, but regional pricing is different. You may be correct in a few isolated cases, but wrong in most. 9:00 am - 4:30 pm Central Time, Copyright 1997 - 2022 ePestSupply / ePestControl.com. Can you spend a little bit extra? The pretreatment is Bora-Care. So, if you have large amounts of termites underground, it sometimes takes 10 or 15 bait tubes to eliminate the colony(ies). A chemical barrier is injected in to top portion of the soil surrounding a structure, but termites are usually foraging way below this layer of soil especially in the winter. Sentricon would be around $900 + $300 renewal. I have seen as many as 5 hits in the first month, I have also seen about half or more sites take years to get a hit!! Research shows, applying Termidor SE pre-construction and post-construction prevent pests. I am concern with roof damage. they ate lots of bait and the technician replaced a tube of bait. is the key. So, in round numbers, the pest guys cost is about $350 per job. For slab homes, Sentricon is probably the best. I want to let you know that I have a Bachelors Degree in biology, a Masters degree in entomology, and a Ph.D. in insect toxicology, entomology, and nematology. Thanks, Jim. Wrong! Authorized Sentricon Operators are not just selling a warranty. Sentricon system is no longer offered by Terminix who inspected our home last week. I am a fan of chemicals so I am leanings towards Termidor. Fipronyl, the active ingredient, kill s termites and also has a transfer effect that is passed from worker termites to the colony. Sentricon works in all climates. It is basically like the old Sentricon method that required more trips to check, etc. You have to use liquid if you want a proper termite treatment. It is the ONLY termite control product on the market that actually eliminates all the termite colonies surrounding a structure. They are in business to make money, Period. Make sure that you test the GFI prior to use by touching the tip of the drill to any grounded metal object, such as water lines under a sink, etc.. Welcome to the 21st century, Ron! Sigh. WebAltriset is also proven to last longer than other termiticides, sometimes as much as twice as long. )because the fee has already been paid. Cest la vie. The length of this contract is due to the fact that baiting is a long term proposition that takes time to work. Here is a follow up to my swarm problem.. My termite guy came back and explained to me the problem which makes perfect sense. If so, may I ask if the results are the same, better, worse than those observed in a warmer southern climate? HERE is the bottom line everybody: If a termite company Only tries to sell you a Termidor treatment or ONLY a Sentricon treatment, Beware. In other parts of the country, people want an effective alternative to liquid termiticides and Sentricon works great. House was built in 2008. These companies make a HUGE profit off unsuspecting homeowners. Getting a system that involved Termidor and bait stations would be a great treatment as well. .06% and .125%. They are a great company with great customer service, so get your facts straight. I live in GA and recently found active termites in the front of my home behind a brick wall (the rest of the house is hardi-plank). Over time as the termite activity has disappeared the extra bait stations were removed. Also, I have a curious toddler that I know will try to pull the round Sentricon disks out of the ground. They both are certified Sentricon dealers. When our home was built,(2007)they used Termidor2 years ago, they said we needed another dose of termite killer and they recommended that I have Sentricon,,,,I went with it and I have had no problems .yetThe question I have is How long is Termidor supposed to last? Altriset has an active ingredient called Chlorantraniliprole which makes it so powerful and effective at termite infestation. Please stop trying to play expert in a matter which you know very little about. They are bigger and have a unique two part feeding station. I had 2 full weeks of satelite training (a system that Glen Rollins paid almost 5 Million dollars for so he could have the best trained technicians in the industry) and they sent me down to Atlanta for another full week of classroom training before I was allowed to talk to anybody about a termite job. Will I ever get rid of these pests?!! Also, experience is very important. The newest version is called Always Active and the bait is designed to last 1-5 years. Amanda, stay clear of that program its a scam on consumers and has been banned in several states and is under scrutiny by many attorney generals . It could depend on how far away from the home that the stations were installed. Pretty darn close. Can you stipulate that all termites must be covered or can the vendor exclude cetain types . Ron- you are right that 15 years ago, termites preferred the wood over the bait. 3 inspections by small companies and she doesnt want to spend $1,500+. To Jim: see my question above regarding risk factors with application of Termidor. Ive decided to go with Termidor, but I cant decide which warranty option to take. Works the same way with baiting. That is just plain silly. It works by paralyzing the mouths of termites within hours of exposure, stopping further damage immediately. $270 per year? I have treated thousands of homes over 26-years. As far as you telling the public that Shatter, and Advance are the same product, Please use your head.that is a joke. It contains the same chemical, Fipronil, as Termidor SC. Thanks, M. I live in Pa. In 30 years, I have only seen that level of damage a couple of times. In the case of the bait installations, the average time to first feeding is 100 days, and there is no estimate of the average time to termite control. As for baits Sentricon / Shatter , Advance and Ensysex are all proven baits . Or would Sentricon be a better solution? WebTermidor is not systemic and does not affect plant life around your home. Anthony , you can pre-bait both . Neither EcoLab nor Presto-X were shown as members even though you said they are solid companies. Ant wings are only slightly longer than their bodies. It is an approved, most used, and fully efficient product that professionals use in post and pre-construction. This substance is passed around the colony by the termites, and keeps them from properly molting. Theoretically, termites could possibly tunnel past a bait station and never find it. Why wouldnt everyone just treat with Termidor, and forget about termites until another 10-15 years? Im starting to think this site is biased. At the back of the home we have a tiled screened in porch area (on the same level as the swarm and about 4 feet below ground level). Its very common to have ground water leaks and with newer liquid and bait drilling the floor just for prevention is a little outdated. So once it dries in the soil it stays unless you shovel out the soil around your foundation . Another little tidbit to keep in minda mature termite colony will eat a pound of wood per day. Density: approx. I would like to leave the comments open on this thread because there has been a lot of good discussion. Natural alternatives for termite treatment are recently getting increasingly popular. I dont know how much dues are, but there are over 4,000 members of the National Pest Management Assn. You might find one on the IPCO (International Pest Control Org) website. To foam a wall using a liquid Termiticide, the termiticide has to be mixed with a foaming agent to make it foam. Hexaflumuron is the active ingredient which contains a toxicity to it. It prevents further termite damage as well. Well, that explains it Cade; you or your company is authorized and protected in your geographical area and make heaps of money off homeowners scared to death their home is about to fall down. My current company can also do both. I have also used Firstline with Orkin, it is truly junk, you can buy the same bait at Lowes..I currently use Esystex (Exterra) which is similar to Sentricon and Advance.I always let my bait customers know that this is a LONG TERM COMMITMENT . It is water soluble, and less enduring in wet soils. Is this wall adjacent to the garage slab? The former owner got a local company to spot treat the area with Termidor, and put Sentricon around the house. I want to know if they treat the perimeter of the house, wont that take care of the termites if they are in the garage area too? That is why the bait is put in from the beginning now and left in there to control the termites continuously. Both methods have a similar initial cost ($700 $1,200), but the annual renewal is usually a little higher for Sentricon (4 trips instead of 1). The only way I would do more than bi-monthly is if they are pre-baited. with all that said really what is my best option? Your absurd comments regarding the wood monitors is just plain wrong. Do I need a pre-emptive treatment or should I wait until termites are discovered? Our Florida home which was a new just built home at the time, was treated in 2006 with Termidor. If both cause some toxicity, what else is recommended? The active ingredient is chlorantraniliprole. My house was treated with chlordane in the 80s but flying termites appeared this year which apparantly means there are workers present and trails in place so we have to treat. Tyler, not all Orkin and Terminix techs are bad. Then Terminix went to Advance Bait Stations which is a little larger. Sounds like they have something to hide like maybe not being licensed and insured. For more unbiased info, go to http://tiny.cc/9eu3fw, Our old floorboards started lifting so we decided to replace them. This company said there were tubes all over and showed me pictures of the damage. Ive found a couple of sites like domyownpestcontrol, etc that look legit. If you are dealing with Formosan Termites, the carton nest will have to be found and removed usually a direct application of termiticide will take care of the problem. It works by paralyzing the mouths of termites within hours of exposure, stopping further damage immediately. Hmmm. Termites only build the tunnels to stay in the dark when they need to forage above the surface- like when they forage into the basement of a home or up an exterior foundation. Once termites start feeding on these stakes, the stakes are removed and a bait tube is added. If you have active termites, and dont want to wait possibly years and years for a hit while termites are eating your home go Termidor. We will request Termidor. The initial cost is around the same too about $1,000. I live in South Georgia. My only concern is whether the exterior treatment will take care of any termite colonies that might be located directly under the middle of the basement slab. You should stop replying to my messages before you make yourself look any more stupid than you alredy have. Also cases where termites have come through cracks in the floor of the basement directly into studs. Cade, dont argue with me; argue with Stoy Hedges PhD. Termidor HE stands for "High Efficiency" because it is the most concentrated product the manufacturer has with this active ingredient, which is more convenience for Pest Control Professionals who may be treating dozens of homes each week. Less water is needed for Termidor HE when mixed so it is a water saving alternative to Termidor SC. Termidor all the way. With Advance, the materials are sold piece-meal. Who owns the bait stations after a contract is terminated/expired/over? The bait is tightly packed in a plastic container. Experience shows that a bait station not checked monthly can grow fungus and mold, which repels termites. Stop looking for cheap and focus more on quality. Baits can work, but liquid will work faster and is easier to maintain. Thanks. Termidor costs about $50 more than Sentricon up front, but the annual contract, which covers monitoring, periodic reapplication (if necessary) and repair of any termite damage is about $150 less for Termidor as compared to Sentricon. That should give you some points to think about over the next 2 years about your termite protection. Small price to pay for a wealth of information. I got 5 estaments, all the in same price range and prety much the same area treatment procedure. Id be especially interested to hear from the pros. First of all, Advance is an old technology (9-10 yrs?). Should I clean out any mud that gets in them? called in the pest control operator who did perimeter treatment using Termidor and spot treatment behind the fridge. Every single one of your local pest control companies. Termidor is termidor right? Id say that alone destroys what little credibility you had. Firstline is a stomach poison, it can reduce the colony size , but not eliminate. Thats why all the biggest companies use them (ie Orkin, Terminex, American, Massey, etc, etc and 95% of the other pest companies use them. Altriset is labeled only for subterranean termites. I will put no faith in Altriset til I see a BUNCH of real world data . If you homeowners want to get rid of termites and protect your home, have a liquid termiticide applied. I live in New York and had my house treated about 5 years ago with chemicals and bait. I want the termites GONE NOW! This patent ensures that BASF has single right to a niche of the market, and if the product generates good sales it will also bring revenue. They are hard and designed to last underground for up to 5 years. Just moved into this house one year ago. To use Altriset, a professional digs a deep trench around the home. Save Up to 30% on Select Lawn & Pest Control Products- Shop Now . I really dont appreciate your blanket statements about my company. The use of the bait systems is like installing a fence around your property, with the fence posts and nothing in between. Orkin is known for hiring guys off the street,shows them a couple of training videos turn them loose and tells them to tell customers that they have been exterminating for 2 years. Hey Vern, why do you even use liquids if the Sentricon is so effective? What I found was that he and the University of Florida have made MILLIONS on the royalties from the Sentricon system, due to the good doctors involvement in the development of same. Bait stations are a natural alternative and dont dump chemicals into the soil or kill beneficial insects especially ants that kill termites. The only way I would do more than bi-monthly is if they are pre-baited.. Use Termidor or Premise. As an experienced field technician with many years in the field Treating the Problem and Making the Customer Happy. Board Games: Stretching Your Entertainment Dollar. I have had one company bid using termidor for $750 for treating about 225 linear ft around whole house with $100 for reinspect & warranaty. A newer non-repellent and also "GREEN" termiticide is called "Altriset". While Termidor is highly toxic, Altriset is not, making it a better alternative for those who do not want to expose themselves to the risks associated with the use of Termidor . The polymer then dissipates and thus allows the fipronil to bind to the soil. While the Oster T Finisher specializes with its precision, the Andis T Outliner specializes by providing pure power. More frightening than chemicals in the home is pest control people that dont understand what they are applying. I have found a similar system still sold by DOW Agrosciences that uses the prior chemical called hexaflumuron, which uses same chitin molting issue for termites. Right now we have two main alternatives The Sentricon System and Termidor. It serves as an ideal solution for termite treatment in construction walls, crawl spaces, basement, foundation elements and other elements like trees and landscape. BASF says that the Perimeter Plus style treatment, or EPLI, is good for ten years. I don;t understand one company tells me I have termites the other 2 that I dont. Would I be taking too great a risk to just get the 4-year warranty? It would seem the technology to treat termites has advanced quite a bit (at least in terms of the baiting systems), since this article was authored. My home is a 3 level split and the bottom level is on a slab. Tyler, my 5 year guarantee is the only one in my area, everyone else does a 1 year guarantee. Now why would an Attorney General be financing this investigation unless there were piles of complaints? Slabs and homes with high water tables tend to be better situations for Sentricon. two days later, another swarm out from another location nearby. If they were, they would not build exploratory mud tubes. If you are ok with the drilled holes, but want environmentally friendly, you might take a look at Altriset. Rick, very good questionif there is enough moisture to allow the termites to live in the attic, then the colony will not need to return to the soil. We are torn with what option to go with and have been told from both Terminx and another vendor that Sentricon is a waste of money and does not work. I also gutted a good part of the main level and found no insects nor signs of insect damage. Dont use any company that offers baiting stations; theyre not honest. Company B is recommending a Sentricon bait system all around the house at a cost of $1500 over two years. We once baited a home where we had to place the stations 50 feet away from the home because of a large Italian Marble back patio. Marty, treating now before termites find your home and damage it is WAY cheaper than having to repair termite damage. Sentricon is the only University-tested termite control product that totally eliminates the termite colonies underground at their source. WebAlso Termidor. They dont work period. Premise is a cheaper alternative that does not work as well. Homeowners beware. 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