The maxorder quantity of any powder SKU is, https://shop.hodgdon.com/sites/www/files/2022-04/2022-Hodgdon%20Spherical%20Pow. CFE BLK specks, performance and handling are nearly a mirror image of Vit120,, except CFE is a bit . by alamo5000 Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:35 pm, Post hardcast loaded to 2.250". I've used a ton of H110 for .357mag for both pistol and levergun cartridges and 30 carbine in my 2 M1 Carbines in the 15 years. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. I've even managed to get Alliant 2400 powder to work with lighter bullets. These subsonic 300 Blackout loads require 30 caliber bullets in the 190-250 grain range which can get real expensive real quick! H110 and WW296 are the same powder, different containers. It will be a very good powder for carbine length systems and probably lighter bullets. Rem 7 1/2 208 Amax I chose a load from the on line load data. I just bought a jug of H110 to start working on a load in that powder my rifle. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. A first look at the new Hodgdon CFE BLK powder for 300 blackout. A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. This spherical propellant is designed expressly for the 300 Remington AAC Blackout cartridge and meters very accurately. H110/W296 can give me more velocity with lighter bullet weights. The group on the left, starts showing some promise. The carbine gas system was not so bad, cycled and locked back with no problem. A friend suggested maybe the bullet jacket is just crazy thin on this run of V-Max?? I know getting your choice of powders is tough right now, but maybe CFE isn't the best choice for that bullet weight. JMHO, but I would back off of that. Hodgdon shows a similar max charge of H110 (20.0) as Barnes, with similar velocity. We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Here's a simple task you can do that will give your seater die a more perfect fit to your match bullets. Ramshot Enforcer. Im getting the 2.05 COL now. JavaScript is disabled. (Thanks Trump for not pushing the hearing protection act through.) Barrel time. Enter your cartridge and bullet weight, and the site will list Min and Max loads. Great accuracy, very consistent and meters well. 2500fps out of a 14.5" barrel. I use H110 for supers (110gr) and AA1680 for subs (180 and 208gr). _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.accurateshooter.com']); I just dont want to pay the hazmat and more powder if I can make these work. So, based on my tests, I now use Lil'Gun excluzively in my .357mag levergun loads. In order to get a fair trial for powder burn, cleanliness and blow back. This is the results of five shots. I did not want the 18 to go super( ). Definitely worth a try. Still marred. 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT Hodgdon CFE BLK .308" 2.260" Starting Loads Maximum Loads CALIBER BULLET WEIGHT MANUFACTURER POWDER BULLET DIAMETER C.O.L. The 300 AAC Blackout delivers ballistic performance comparable to 7.6239, yet possesses a base diameter that optimizes functionality in an AR-type platform. Hodgdon H322. (And from what some say, can possibly go faster). check out the. 800 fps 848 fps Nope, I don't load 300 BO at all. With it, I was getting my 158grn .357 Mag loads up to 1,789fps from my 20" Rossi carbine and 1,822fps from my 24" rifle as well as 1,960fps with my 110grn 30 Carbine loads in my M1 Carbines. The left side group that is marked was the 8 barrel, unmarked 18. 892 fps. One other tidbit is my last shot has continued to be an anomaly. . I bought 2 pounds of this powder since it was all I could find. Brass fresh from the tumbler (well maybe 6 mos ago). Shooters World BLACKOUT. Here is a target at fifty yards. This is compared with H110 at 52,800 PSI and IMR 4227 at 48,700 PSI. I would of expected more velocity in 10 of barrel. 801 fps 11.2 CFE BLK 2.255 COL 21.96, 22.00. Not sure what weight you are using but I am using it in a 16 carbine length adjustable direct impinge gas system. 9.0, 10.0 grains Hodgdon H-110 powder (See chronograph data below) 2.230 COL (2.260 is max for AR-15) Use load data at your own risk. H110 is a rock star for 300 BLK. by alamo5000 Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:54 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. bullets all come in, again, at shorter COAL than Barnes (1.970 and 1.845, respectively, vs. Barnes' 2.250). Considering I was using a brass catcher, I would call it possibly excessive. All in all for first impressions, I would say disappointment is the word best describing the experience. Just to add more interesting stuff to the mixI ordered a little bottle of Puff-Lon to see what I can do. In addition to being outstanding in the 300 Blackout, it performs well in many smaller capacity cartridges such as the 17 Hornet, 17 Ackley Hornet, 218 Bee, 221 Fireball and many more. This is a modern smokeless powder suitable for a wide variety of popular cartridges. })(); To comment on a post, click Post Title or "Comment" Link. by alamo5000 Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:54 pm, Post Chronoed using a magnetto. It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout a range of bullet weights and is perfect for subsonic loads. Still at 50 yards, back to the original powder charge of 11.2 grains. I've tried Lil Gun for 300BOit seems to run hot. 208 Amax, 11 grains at 2.260. FYI I have since found the 125gr FMJ #30196 is FAR better for cheap supers in the caliber, and loaded over 20gr of CFE BLK it is decent, but CFE BLK is better suited as a subsonic powder (or with the 110gr v-max), H110/W296 is FAR better for most supers, 18gr under that 125gr bullet crimped to the cannelure is accurate and IIRC at least 100FPS Im not going to hunt deer with it. You are using an out of date browser. I'm using a suppressor and 16 inch barrel and there is plenty of gas to cycle the action reliably and give me around 1050 fps. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Not impressed would be the word of the day. 2.255 COL, 8 barrel pistol gas Wolf Small Rifle Magnum primers. CFE BLK Should Be on Dealers Shelves in January 2017 Clear Ballistics Gel Test, Kimber Camp Guard ? Primers showed some flattening, more than I would have expected for only 37,400 psi. You may not reproduce original text or photos without advanced permission in writing. (At least that would be my guess, if the data is accurate). It may not display this or other websites correctly. I have had trouble before with sunny and snow being too bright. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. I'm curious how users who reload have experienced with an SBR or AR Pistol in 300 AAC Blackout with CFE BLK and H110. I have VERY little imr4227 but I do have cfe blk, lil gun and accurate 1680. Its a very dense powder. If you want maximum velocity, try Alliant 300MP. Select your cartridge type from the drop-down list. The 300 Blackout's .30 caliber bullet can be made especially long, and as the result may weigh up . _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']); VEL. 813 fps CFE BLK Meters Well and Burns Clean I could drop .5gr powder to lower the load to the minimum but I doubt it would then not deform the bullets. The initial loads in the original post were by the book. Can you provide data for reloads using the CFE BLK. 21.98, 21.98 Please accept my apologies for not reading your entire post.Im just some nobody online so dont get bothered by me. "Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans." . It seems to throw high spreads until you get to 95% plus. I will probably wnd up grabbing some H110 if Insee it locally. 300 Blackout vs. 350 Legend. 1064 Hodgdon data only shows IMR4227 loads. I've got a load worked up using both A1680 and H110 for my 8" gas gun build. I dont have any h110 right now. Shooters World SBR-SOCOM. averaging 3428 fps. The first test was 25.0 grs. Thanks for the responses, I'll stay on the lookout for info, maybe Hodgdon will eventually explain or change if wrong. Personally, I would go all the way down to the starting load and work up from there. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Muzzle Velocity: 2,259 fps. So a little different than you are asking but I leave the H110 for the 44 mag. Not sure what weight you are using but I am using it in a 16" carbine length adjustable direct impinge gas system. I pulled my trigger group and stripped my bolt. Scan this QR code to download the app now. It is only fifty yards, I am quite sure at 100 I would measure it in feet. I have not used H110 in my blackout, but I have had very good luck with CFE BLK. Click "Get Data" to view results. Check with leading vendors such as Brunos, Midsouth, and Powder Valley. Still a fair amount of gas. Editor: You should go directly to the Hodgdon Reloading Data Center. Im right in the middle of the load data. "Sometimes - those who dont socialize much arent actually anti-social They just have no tolerance for drama, stupidity, and fake people". 1720fps from 8 inch barrel. NOTE: Despite the BLK in the name, this is a NOT a black powder substitute. Sounds like a good group, and a lot of powder. (ft/s) PRESSURE 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4198 .308" 2.260" 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT Winchester 296 .308" 2.260" . I am feeling a little better about the powder and will try to run a couple more loads this weekend. Thats good news for shooters of small varmint cartridges. The original CFE 223 propellant was formulated for reduced copper fouling (CFE in the name refers to Copper Fouling Eraser). Hodgdon Trail Boss. Ill drop the charge weight then. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. Not being argumentative, just curious. 220 Hornady RN, 12.1gr CFE BLK, sig brass, cci 450. I never used CFE Blk and cannot comment on it, but I have heard great things about it. For light supers, H110/W296 is a fair bit faster than any other powder in published data I've seen. 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 22.8gr 2025fps 25.2gr 2250fps 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.3gr 1925fps 23.7gr 2150fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 23.2gr 2075fps 25.8gr 2300fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.7gr 2000fps 24.1gr 2225fps So far Hodgdon CFE BLK is the best powder for this round IMO. Just received some info back from Callahan Mciver at Hodgdon Powder. Honestly, I think 4227 and H110/296 to be the ideal powders for that bullet. and our document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); 2023 Day At The Range. Unfortunately, the majority of all 7.6239 cases are made of steel and feature a Berdan Primer. Starting with heavy supers where I have questioned their load data pressure claims before. Be safe. I think Al in MI uses 300-MP with good results. This would be for either a 300gr SMK or 350gr Maker. I use H110 for supers only. JavaScript is disabled. For me this powder was very expensive fertilizer until I started getting the bullet down into the powder. I use 20g and get just short of 2400 fps in a 16" barrel with no pressure signs at all. That should do the trick for 44 Mag. You are using an out of date browser. And 300 AAC BLACKOUT with BERGER 115 to 230 grain .30 caliber bullets. Some hunters speculated that it would sound the death knell for . I seated the 150 fmjs at the cannelure. BTW, 18.5 grs pushing 110 gr Hornady SP's are way more accurate out of my cheap PSA rifle than I would have ever figured staring out. 1:13" barrel tho. It's also pretty nice when suppressed due to a lack of residue buildup. I say try all of them and see which ones work best. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. 11.2 gr. But more importantly, in the same range. Did I forget to mention that gas proof goggles might not be a bad idea when shooting this powder? Look at thread number 8---- 38.0 grs. by alamo5000 Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:45 pm, Post A couple of known loads were within reason. So yes..your starting load will be the bullet seating on top of powder. Hodgdon H110. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - CFE BLK vs. H110 for 300 AAC Blackout for Short Barrel ARs. It was reasonably overcast when shooting, with plenty of snow. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 21.88, 22.08 One new winner* is announced every week! I've thought about trying the 20.2g max, but it's been really accurate, so not worth messing with. 11.5 grn - Lowell George. Much of the effectiveness of that round relies upon its 3,000 feet per second . ok? My best CFE BLK load was 200 ft./s slower than my H110 load. For a powder that was hyped as cleaner, quieter, less flash and any other thing you would expect in a powder specifically blended for a cartridge, it came up more than short. ES in the hundreds. 73802E56-837F-48A2-A7B4-AF21CA7EB748.jpeg, FF62D836-B35B-4269-9A64-85377653D7E4.jpeg. An ES of 353, SD 133. I need to drop some speed, these were cracking at 25 degrees. Both of those work very well. Awesome, thanks. Many of our Forum members have tried CFE 223 and confirmed that is performs as advertised with less copper fouling that most other propellants. Im guessing the tac-tx Ive got will do the same thing. The added burn time, longer dwell really tames the noise and cuts down on the amount of powder blow back. and a ES of 11 fps. Classifieds 282 Gender:Male It's suppose to be a good powder between Lil Gun, win296/H110 and A1680, SWB, CFE BLK. But give it a try and let us know how it works. 1023 average with 14.0 sd out of a 16" Ruger American. The following is from a 10" test barrel using the 700 gr. Berry's 220 grain 300 Blackout bullets. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - CFE BLK vs. H110 for 300 AAC Blackout for Short Barrel ARs Posted: 9/2/2018 10:02:19 AM EDT by dellet Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:27 pm, Post driven every kind of rig that's ever been made, driven the backroads so I wouldn't get weighed. Brass looks fine. In this article [] March 27, 2020 Gavin Reloading Blog 300 BLK, 300 BLK Subsonic, 330 AAC Blackout, 45 ACP, 9mm parabellum, AR-10, AR-15, Berry's 220 grain 300 Blackout Spire Point, Berry's Manufacturing, Berry's . Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. This powder does not compress easily. Always start low. A little more tuning on this load and it will be time to stretch it out. 771 fps If so, are you suggesting that there should be a direct correlation with how H110 will perform in 300BO and your example calibers/cartridges? 774 fps MP300 will work and takes a little more powder than H110. WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. CFE BLK gives higher velocities with the 208 grain and heavier bullets. I use CFE BLK (12gr) for 220gr subsonics. I debated it but the guy at Hidgon thought Id be fine unless I was trying to push the velocity beyond what I really need in a 7 pistol. But for sub-sonic loads I have found IMR 4227 under a Barry's 220gr and Accurate 1680 under a Maker 220gr REX work better and are quieter than than similar velocities with the same bullets driven by H110. Expressly for the 300 Remington AAC Blackout delivers ballistic performance comparable to 7.6239, possesses. 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